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  • #1276
    Topstep1
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    I need your help.

    I would like to take my wyse image (original) for the x90e (lovin’ the smartcard) update it with Microsofts’s newest Windows Embedded Standard CTP. I am wanting to upgrade RDP from 6.0 to 6.1 (6.1 is much improved for TSGateway and single sign-on use.)

    Here is what I CAN do;

    Installed WES CTP
    ran TAP on my x90e
    created a database component for my device with CD
    imported it into CDM
    created new session in TD and added the database component.

    I have Wyse WSI setup and can d/l the images I get from there site ok.

    Here is what I CAN’T DO;

    everything else

    Can I somehow just take the downloaded image or what is currently on the machine and get it into WES and somehow just update it?

    if not, how do I get from saving an image out of WES to getting it on to the x90e?

    ps. “Configuring_XPe_ThinClients.pdf” was a big help for an overview.

    Thanks,

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    ConfGen
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    If I understand you correct you are “just” looking for a way to extract your custom X90e image via WSI to deploy it on other units.
    Here is the way you can go:

    1) close WSI
    2) disable DHCP Proxy Service
    3) make sure TFT32 is running
    4) open cmd and change to c:inetpubftprootrapporttoolssaalone
    5) alone pull
    Example: alone pull 9V92 V90LE_Custom
    6) power on the Unit, it will pick up the TFTP-Bootfloppp and start pulling off the image
    7) after the imaging is done, the .i2d is in the new subdirectory under ftprootrapport
    8) if you want to pull the image again at a later time, mike sure the c:inetpubftprootrapporttoolssalogfiles subfir is empty

    HTH
    CG

    #13270
    Topstep1
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    Not quite ConfGen,

    creating a NEW image for the x90e based on WES CTP is my goal.

    (see original post)

    If the image DOES have to be built from stratch, once build in WES how to I get that directory of file on the x90e?

    please take a stab at any of the original questions if possible. If it got a little too wordy, just look for the ‘?’.

    thanks again,

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    #13271
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    Sorry for misunderstanding your post but I have not played with WES CTP at the moment. So I cannot help you with this one.

    CG

    #13272
    Topstep1
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    You DID help me clarify my post, so thanks for that.

    Anyone else, care to share some wisdom on the matter?

    Like everything else, it is a learning process.

    Topstep1

    #13273
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    Hi,

    This package is for OEM manufactures for XP systems.

    Wyse are looking at a WES image system to replace the verions built in trget designer. This change is really driven by the fact that MS will not be releasing a Vista Embedded platform.

    You would need to build an image, convert it to the Wyse .i2d format and finally load it,

    Cheers,
    -TT

    #13274
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    thinkthin,

    That helps. Can you tell me what of the tool to do the conversion TO the .i2d format.

    That is what I am asking; once you have created an image, how to convert it into a format that can be loaded on the x90e

    Any thoughts?

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    #13275
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    and this was my original answer.
    Use the steps in my first post to extract the image from your modified X90 unit and you will get .i2d file.

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    #13276
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    Hi,

    Wyse have not released the process and to be honest I have not tried to see how it is done.

    The flash appears as a IDE drive so there must be other ways to load the image to the drive – looks like a good google subject!!!

    Post back if you find a method,

    cheers,
    -TT

    #13277
    Topstep1
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    ConfGen, thanks and enjoy the rest of your day.

    thinkthin,

    I’ll cost me nothing to try, and give me a world of benefit.

    I guess I’ll start with just trying to get the flat file data copied to the second partition. (These things only come with so much space, so who better to determine how best to use it then the user(s)). Also, the the base image keeps a many things from installing/running. That’s not anybody’s fault. it’s just the cost of … well ‘Thin’.

    It does not take long to realize that tailoring the unit to your needs increases its value tremendously and saves a world of time in trying to get something to work/run that never will. (e.g., perfectly good Thinstalled Apps) or Softgrid Client for [very]modest deployments. I have some off the shelf apps that don’t need to be installed but need to run on the client (streamed to memory) and access a usb device like a scanner (spectrophotomer) that collects color data (small text file).

    Eltima’s tool for the USB over IP worked but not consistently; Vmware’s VDM (accessing the device thru the virtual machine on the server has always caused the VM to bluescreen and reboot the second I push the button to calibrate the device. TCX has never worked for me.

    For the install, i’ve even joined the unit to the domain, made the temp & program files mapped to a network drive to get the app installed, then vpned into the network to run it. Only to finally realize that it was not the app or install but the build. It just wasn’t tailored for that. But the good news is that it CAN be.

    In all fairness, it does do what it was build to do. RDP/ICA/VPN, etc. But since it IS a windows box I want to get from it what is needed and what the technology now provides for.

    thanks,

    Topstep1

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    Yours is an unusual request for a Thin Client but I understand where you are coming from. The issue with your USB device not working is most likely to do with it being a synchronous USB device and most USB redirection software currently only support asynchronous.

    You should be OK to build but you will need to face these issues:

    – Remove the partitions on the flash and start from scratch
    – You will need to work out how to load the image from the developers tool to flash. I have not use WES so a bit of work to be done
    – IDE flash is quite good at wear leveling but not perfect. If you do not use a RAM disk or write filter it will really effect the life of the flash. You will need to cater for this

    Apart from that it sounds like fun! The final option is to provide the app to Wyse and buy a custom image from them,

    Cheers,
    -TT

    #13301
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    >The final option is to provide the app to Wyse and buy a custom image from them- Remove the partitions on the flash and start from scratch<

    Actually, there was no need. I used an agent to push the files on reboot.

    Thanks a million on the USB tidbit, i.e., synchronous/asynchronous. I am going to contract Eltima to work it out for me and I was tring to describe that behavior.

    Although oddly, I have connected there USB to Ethernet software, just recently to an Epson Large Format Printer. The printer has a Status Monitor that when you open the print Dialog, retrieves the Ink Levels (seven in total) from the printer and displays then. So it is getting info FROM the device, in addition to sending [the print data TO the device]. I must admit there solution works quite eloquently, becausse in it’s really just sharing the port and letting you use the drivers on the connecting OS (In my case, a Vista client was connecting to a XP host) Vista has a much imporved printing subsystem (spooler and such) so for files and can easily hit the 4gig spooler max that’s a bit plus.

    Anyway, thanks again.

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    #13321
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    Here you are, Wyse will be using WES in 2009:

    http://www.wyse.com/about/news/pr/2008/0613_Windows_Embedded.asp

    #13323
    Topstep1
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    Now thinkthin,

    that announcement was posted two Sundays ago. (That’s how I found out about WES)

    I was sitting outside at Starbucks using a Treo BlueTooth phone, paired to a x90e to Surf the morning news and Administrator a Network.

    ALL industry people MUCH start their day ‘keeping up’. This stuff changes so fast, ya know?

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    That’s the way I would like to start my day.

    CG

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